By genealogy.com user May 19, 2001 at 06:34:12
Dear All fellow Paylor
(and a big hug to Irma R and Lisa P)
I have been researching the Paylors for the last few years and after passing on information all round the globe wonder if anyone can help me any further.
My Great Grandfather was Thomas Paylor born in Thirsk, North Yorkshire in 1869. his Grandfather was Vincent Paylor born in Topcliffe Thirsk in 1794. I know that Vincents father was also Vincent (1764) and Vincent's Grandfather was George Paylor born December 1675 in Nun Monkton Near York,
I have now come to a grinding halt. There is a suspicion that Nathaniel Paylor may have been George Paylors Father but as to his birthplace and year I have no confirmation. Can anyone help me get back further than this? Also has anyone any reference to their Occupations in the Paylor Family?
I would be extreamly greatful for any jhelp in this matter and look forward to meeting new family wherever you may be.
Incidently...,I live only 8 miles from Thirsk and until I started doing my Family Tree.....no-one in the family was aware that 'anyone' lived anywhere near Thirsk. It's purely co-incidence that I live here, I moved simply because of my late husbands job!
Spookie Stuff - huh folks?
All good thoughts,
Sue Simpson
(but a Paylor and proud of it!)
Northallerton,
North Yorkshire
England
(and a big hug to Irma R and Lisa P)
I have been researching the Paylors for the last few years and after passing on information all round the globe wonder if anyone can help me any further.
My Great Grandfather was Thomas Paylor born in Thirsk, North Yorkshire in 1869. his Grandfather was Vincent Paylor born in Topcliffe Thirsk in 1794. I know that Vincents father was also Vincent (1764) and Vincent's Grandfather was George Paylor born December 1675 in Nun Monkton Near York,
I have now come to a grinding halt. There is a suspicion that Nathaniel Paylor may have been George Paylors Father but as to his birthplace and year I have no confirmation. Can anyone help me get back further than this? Also has anyone any reference to their Occupations in the Paylor Family?
I would be extreamly greatful for any jhelp in this matter and look forward to meeting new family wherever you may be.
Incidently...,I live only 8 miles from Thirsk and until I started doing my Family Tree.....no-one in the family was aware that 'anyone' lived anywhere near Thirsk. It's purely co-incidence that I live here, I moved simply because of my late husbands job!
Spookie Stuff - huh folks?
All good thoughts,
Sue Simpson
(but a Paylor and proud of it!)
Northallerton,
North Yorkshire
England
Hello Sue,
My gg grandfather was Robert Paylor (born 16 March 1840), youngest son of Vincent of Topcliffe, who was born after Vincent's death.Robert married Ellen Carter on 12 May 1860 at St. Stephen's Parish Church, Willington and they had four children - Robert, Thomas, John and Mary (my great-grandmother).I have done much research at both Durham (my local record office) and Northallerton and may be able to add to your notes.
Kindest regards,
Janet (Harding)
My gg grandfather was Robert Paylor (born 16 March 1840), youngest son of Vincent of Topcliffe, who was born after Vincent's death.Robert married Ellen Carter on 12 May 1860 at St. Stephen's Parish Church, Willington and they had four children - Robert, Thomas, John and Mary (my great-grandmother).I have done much research at both Durham (my local record office) and Northallerton and may be able to add to your notes.
Kindest regards,
Janet (Harding)
Hi Sue, I am looking for Paylors from Thirsk, It wouldbe my great great grandfather Vincent Paylor and his wife's first name was Sarah.She died May 14, 1891 in Thirsk, York, England.Their one son William Paylor Born Oct 15, 1865, moved to Glenelg Township, (just outside of Durham, Ontario.)He married Elizabeth Falkingham.I was wondering if this is part of your line that you are tracing.Can you help?I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks Susan Paylor
Hello Susan,
I think I may have your William on my database.If it is him, his parents, Vincent and Sarah, had nine children (4 girls, 5 boys), William being the third son, born c.1865.This is one line I have not done a lot of research on - Vincent was my g.g.grandfather's older brother.Does this match with your information?
Kind regards,
Janet (Harding)
I think I may have your William on my database.If it is him, his parents, Vincent and Sarah, had nine children (4 girls, 5 boys), William being the third son, born c.1865.This is one line I have not done a lot of research on - Vincent was my g.g.grandfather's older brother.Does this match with your information?
Kind regards,
Janet (Harding)
Hi Janet
It could well be the line I am looking for.My Dad is not sure how many brothers and sisters his great Grandfather had.
It could well be the line I am looking for.My Dad is not sure how many brothers and sisters his great Grandfather had.
Susan,
Won't bore you details but am now relaxed and refreshed !
Thirsk, Northallerton and York is/was the epicentre of the Northern clan of the Paylors.
George, whom you refer to, was born at/in Nun Monkton in 1675 and was 'named' (nowadays called 'christened') on 3rd August, 1675. He died in 1698, aged 23. Details on IGI Records. George had a sister, Mary Ann, born a year earlier in 1674, also at Nun Monkton. She was 'named' on 2nd April, 1674. Details on IGI Records
George and Mary were the two children of Nathaniel.
Nathaniel was born in 1655 at Nun Monkton, and named on Sept 9th of that year (IGI & Parish Records). Nathaniel was one of four children of GEORGE. Nathaniels' brothers and sister were, Marie (died 25th July 1646), Samuel (died 8th Feb, 1649) and Robert (died 8th Dec, 1651 aged 41 weeks, 2 days).
Marie, Samuel and Robert are buried at The Tower of London. Visit the Chapel of St. Peter ad Vincula in the south eatern corner where there are busts of George Payler and his wife Maria Carey. Well worth a day out!
Now we hit a problem !!!
Nathaniel's father was GEORGE - proven....
Now bear with the problem which I am still working on....
BACGROUND TO THE PROBLEM :
The earliest reference to our family which I can trace with certainty is PIETER PAILLOR, born in York around 1520. He had three sons and one daughter. Family as follows :
William Payler - born in York 1548
Pieter Payler - born in York, 1550
John Payler - born in York, 1553
Jane Payler - born in York, 1560
PROBLEM :
Pieter had four children, one of whom was named GEORGE
John had five children, one of whom was
named GEORGE
At this moment I am unable to say, with certainty, which GEORGE is the father of Nathaniel.
Summary :
Pieter Paillor, born around 1520
(three sons & one daughter)
One of Pieter's sons - either Pieter or John - had son GEORGE (your line)
George (your line) had four children, including Nathaniel.
Nathaniel had one daughter and one son (George)
Hope some of this is of use. I have spent a few years researching but don't claim to be an expert!!!
Won't bore you details but am now relaxed and refreshed !
Thirsk, Northallerton and York is/was the epicentre of the Northern clan of the Paylors.
George, whom you refer to, was born at/in Nun Monkton in 1675 and was 'named' (nowadays called 'christened') on 3rd August, 1675. He died in 1698, aged 23. Details on IGI Records. George had a sister, Mary Ann, born a year earlier in 1674, also at Nun Monkton. She was 'named' on 2nd April, 1674. Details on IGI Records
George and Mary were the two children of Nathaniel.
Nathaniel was born in 1655 at Nun Monkton, and named on Sept 9th of that year (IGI & Parish Records). Nathaniel was one of four children of GEORGE. Nathaniels' brothers and sister were, Marie (died 25th July 1646), Samuel (died 8th Feb, 1649) and Robert (died 8th Dec, 1651 aged 41 weeks, 2 days).
Marie, Samuel and Robert are buried at The Tower of London. Visit the Chapel of St. Peter ad Vincula in the south eatern corner where there are busts of George Payler and his wife Maria Carey. Well worth a day out!
Now we hit a problem !!!
Nathaniel's father was GEORGE - proven....
Now bear with the problem which I am still working on....
BACGROUND TO THE PROBLEM :
The earliest reference to our family which I can trace with certainty is PIETER PAILLOR, born in York around 1520. He had three sons and one daughter. Family as follows :
William Payler - born in York 1548
Pieter Payler - born in York, 1550
John Payler - born in York, 1553
Jane Payler - born in York, 1560
PROBLEM :
Pieter had four children, one of whom was named GEORGE
John had five children, one of whom was
named GEORGE
At this moment I am unable to say, with certainty, which GEORGE is the father of Nathaniel.
Summary :
Pieter Paillor, born around 1520
(three sons & one daughter)
One of Pieter's sons - either Pieter or John - had son GEORGE (your line)
George (your line) had four children, including Nathaniel.
Nathaniel had one daughter and one son (George)
Hope some of this is of use. I have spent a few years researching but don't claim to be an expert!!!
Hi there Kevan,
And thank you for answering my post. I found the information very useful but have a question that may be just my understanding of the data....can you help me further?
PIETER PAILLOR was born in 1520
and had a son (either JOHN or PIETER)or sons b. around 1550 (30 year gap....no problem)
Then either PIETER or JOHN was the father of GEORGE
GEORGE then had a son NATHANIEL in 1655.
The querie/question/problem is....
there seems to be a tremendous gap between PIETER 1550 and his granson GEORGE in 16?? in order for GEORGE to father NATHANIEL in 1665.
Is there a generation missing between PIETER/JOHN & GEORGE (Father & Son)
I 'do' hope this all makes sense.
Thank you for the information shared so far.
And BTW-My mum has always been adament that we have relatives in Whitby. I have spent many a happy day there.
All good thoughts,
Sue Simpson (nee Paylor)
Northallerton
North Yorkshire
England
And thank you for answering my post. I found the information very useful but have a question that may be just my understanding of the data....can you help me further?
PIETER PAILLOR was born in 1520
and had a son (either JOHN or PIETER)or sons b. around 1550 (30 year gap....no problem)
Then either PIETER or JOHN was the father of GEORGE
GEORGE then had a son NATHANIEL in 1655.
The querie/question/problem is....
there seems to be a tremendous gap between PIETER 1550 and his granson GEORGE in 16?? in order for GEORGE to father NATHANIEL in 1665.
Is there a generation missing between PIETER/JOHN & GEORGE (Father & Son)
I 'do' hope this all makes sense.
Thank you for the information shared so far.
And BTW-My mum has always been adament that we have relatives in Whitby. I have spent many a happy day there.
All good thoughts,
Sue Simpson (nee Paylor)
Northallerton
North Yorkshire
England
Hello again Susan,
As a pale-skinned Whitby Paylor, this hot and sunny weather is too much for me!!!
Re. your query. I have no evidence whatsoever of any missing generation. Peiter, born 1520(ish)had four children, two of whom had children named George ; ie:
(i) Pieter, born 1550, had a son named George who was born in York in 1590 when Pieter was 40 years old
(ii) John, born 1553, had a son named George who was bornin York in 1607 when John was 54 years old
George was the father of Robert, Marie, Samuel and NATHANIEL. Which George ? Pieter's son or John's son - I can't prove which one YET. But a quick reckoning shows the following :
Peiter's George, born 1590, would have been 65 years old when Nathaniel was born in 1655. Possible.. but...
John's George, born in 1607, would have been 48 years old when Nathaniel was born in 1655. A strong possibility that this is the line you are looking for but at this moment still not proven.
I have not found any reference whatsoever to any 'missing generation' and believe that the father of Nathaniel must be either Pieter's GEORGE (aged 65yrs) or John's GEORGE (aged 48 years).If you find anything to the contrary, let me know !
John's George is favourite in my book!
P.S. If your mum knows that there are Paylor relatives in Whitby then you and I are almsot certain to be related, however distant ! Let me know of any names, etc, and I'll try to put the jigsaw together ....
Best wishes,
Kevan
As a pale-skinned Whitby Paylor, this hot and sunny weather is too much for me!!!
Re. your query. I have no evidence whatsoever of any missing generation. Peiter, born 1520(ish)had four children, two of whom had children named George ; ie:
(i) Pieter, born 1550, had a son named George who was born in York in 1590 when Pieter was 40 years old
(ii) John, born 1553, had a son named George who was bornin York in 1607 when John was 54 years old
George was the father of Robert, Marie, Samuel and NATHANIEL. Which George ? Pieter's son or John's son - I can't prove which one YET. But a quick reckoning shows the following :
Peiter's George, born 1590, would have been 65 years old when Nathaniel was born in 1655. Possible.. but...
John's George, born in 1607, would have been 48 years old when Nathaniel was born in 1655. A strong possibility that this is the line you are looking for but at this moment still not proven.
I have not found any reference whatsoever to any 'missing generation' and believe that the father of Nathaniel must be either Pieter's GEORGE (aged 65yrs) or John's GEORGE (aged 48 years).If you find anything to the contrary, let me know !
John's George is favourite in my book!
P.S. If your mum knows that there are Paylor relatives in Whitby then you and I are almsot certain to be related, however distant ! Let me know of any names, etc, and I'll try to put the jigsaw together ....
Best wishes,
Kevan
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